Fansub Review: [Hatsuyuki] Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo (Episode 04)

February 9, 2013February 5, 2013 by Dark_Sage

This post was written by Dark_Sage. He is Dark_Sage.

Well they certainly fucked up this release.

Release Information

Visual Quality

Script Quality

Results

Release Information

Episode details.

Release format: MKV (294 MB, 10-bit), MP4 (275 MB)

Japanesiness: Honorifics.

English style: American English.

Encoding details: http://pastebin.com/EDYj1ye5

Speed: Slow. It takes a while for failure this bad to accumulate into a Hatsuyuki release.

External links.

Group website: http://www.hatsuyuki-fansubs.com/

IRC channel: #[email protected]

SubCompare screenshot comparisons: http://www.subcompare.com/mondaiji-tachi_ga_isekai_kara_kuru_sou_desu_yo/

Visual Review

Karaoke.

I have no clue why Hatsuyuki chose the effect they did. It sorta seems like it could work at some points, but it’s really just… meaningless to the OP. Looks cool, I guess.

Rating: Okay.

Ending. It looks more retarded in the screenshots than it does when you’re watching it. Thought it was a decent choice — hit the right notes for me.

Rating: Good.

Typesetting.

You know, I usually expect a little more from your logos, Hatsuyuki. What happened here?

I’m not sure I can draw a conclusion about the visual quality of the typesetting from just this shit.

Script Review

Karaoke.

distant warmth, question mark

This is going to be the only piece of praise I give you for the script, so savor it.

Thanks for not being bakatarded and trying to work “Bang!” in as a translation. I mean, really? “Don’t hesitate and Bang!”? “Bang! Without hesitation”? Fucking stupid as fuck.

Okay, that’s it. Onto the hate.

Main Script.

“She’s more senior”? Please. PLEASE.

I don’t know if you realize this, Hatsuyuki, but “Demon Lord” is pretty much a class in this realm. There are multiple Demon Lords in the show. Therefore, “the Demon Lord” (indicating there’s only one) is completely wrong.

“Rabbits have the authority to judge and referee games.”

The way it’s currently phrased makes it seem like “The rabbits” is a group that doesn’t include her.

Maybe I’m just imposing my barbarian Western values on your high-class Rising Sun-style subs, but wouldn’t it be more logical for him to be criticizing her eavesdropping in general? “for so long” seems like information that’s either not there or is unnecessary to include because it confuses the purpose of his sentence.

This grammar makes it seem like Black Bunny is talking to Leticia when she’s actually talking to Iyazoi.

“No, that’s our friend: Leticia-sama!”

They actually started four fucking sentences in a row with the word “I”. And while we’re on the subject of poor writing, the characterization is absolute shit.

The script in general is piss-poor, but I figured I’d highlight this as the most egregious example of shit writing that people don’t tend to pick up on.

Except he then essentially says he’s going to attack them.

I already know what you’re going to say. “But Dark_Sage, he was being sarcastic/flamboya–” Shut your mouth. You’re only seeing half the picture.

True, his response is your typical talking-out-the-side-of-your-mouth reply “I won’t ___, but I will ___” so what you need to do to make this format work is to change the language up. “I won’t attack them, but I will attack them” is shit. It doesn’t get the full meaning of the scene across because it’s presenting this asshole as some idiot instead of a wisecracking douchemonger.

Something with the logic of “I won’t take them from behind, but I will give them a little spanking” would work. Except perhaps in a less sexualized fashion.

Wrong tense for this scene. It’s “died”.

No, they’re not taking turns to throw lances at each other. They’re taking turns throwing one lance at each other. Fail on multiple levels.

“We take turns throwing this lance at each other.” {This is accurate. You could rephrase it if you want though.}

Hatsuyuki’s weird. They tend to stutter when there’s no stuttering and forget about it when there is.

“He’s from the town, Chicago!” Ooh, just barely missed the English mark there.

“They’re from the community of Perseus!”

Typically the exchange of goods for currency is called a “sale”, not a “trade”, but way to bring it back to the basics, Hatsuyuki!

How does “dedication” even relate to this? The obvious word to use here is “patience”. (None of the three groups came even close to having a reasonable line for this, though.)

I’ll give you

three meals (okayish but not really)
a collar (fine)
play with you every night (not acceptable at all)

Really, Hatsuyuki? You can’t handle a simple fucking list?

If you find yourself using “her” three times in a sentence, that’s probably good indication you need to vary it up. Replace the first one with “Leticia-sama”.

Perseus wasn’t a knight. Goddamn, you nitwits, I learned this shit back in elementary school. Maybe you were looking for “hero” instead.

has been -> was

Hatsuyuki, what are you doing?

“imagining”? What? No, try “doing”. He’s saying that raping Black Rabbit every night would be fun, not that imagining it every night would be fun.

Where the fuck do you come up with these interpretations?

While I want to say this repetition is intentional and meant to underscore the “so badly” part, I don’t… I don’t think it was. And the tenses are off.

you’d -> you’ll

His response would be “Yeah, I totally do.” assuming you wanted your script to resemble English. But from what I’ve seen throughout this episode, I take it that wasn’t your group’s primary strategy with this release.

Results

Watchability: Watchable

Visual grade: B

Script grade: D

Overall grade: D+

I have no clue how groups can release Crunchyroll edits this bad, but it looks like Hatsuyuki put their best retards on this project to ensure they’d reach that goal.

Avoid.
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35 thoughts on “Fansub Review: [Hatsuyuki] Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo (Episode 04)”

Glaive

February 5, 2013 at 11:38 pm

It was only a matter of time. I’ve said this before: Hatsuyuki(unless they’ve changed their ways)uses 3-4 people to QC their releases. End result~
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- Glaive
  
  February 5, 2013 at 11:39 pm
  
  I should probably mention that it’s 3-4 ESL people.
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Sutai

February 5, 2013 at 11:39 pm

tl;dr as fuck, we all know hatsuyuki sucks
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- Humanity
  
  February 6, 2013 at 1:03 pm
  
  You’re just jealous because they’re more senior than you.
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3173

February 5, 2013 at 11:44 pm

This is why I watch HS/CR. The only group that might be worth watching is Commie, but you never know when the fuck they’re going to release.
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mini-ezo

February 5, 2013 at 11:54 pm

>How does “dedication” even relate to this? The obvious word to use here is “patience”. (None of the three groups came even close to having a reasonable line for this, though.)

Gotta defend them for this one; she literally said “selflessness,” meaning that she doesn’t try to kill people when she’s pissed. She would typically herself for pity or something, as evidenced by her will to sell herself into slavery.
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- Dark_Sage
  
  February 5, 2013 at 11:57 pm
  
  What? http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/selfless
  
  “I usually don’t get mad because I’m so selfless.”? It doesn’t fit.
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  - mini-ezo
    
    February 6, 2013 at 12:22 am
    
    *typically hurt herself
    Pardon the typo.
    Welp, it is what she said, and I think it makes sense.
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Vanth

February 6, 2013 at 12:38 am

>Do you plan on robbing me of the chastity that I’ve protected for 200 years?

Shouldn’t ‘the’ be replaced by ‘my’ as well?
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- Dark_Sage
  
  February 6, 2013 at 12:46 am
  
  Not necessary. Actually, I’d suggest against it. Reads weird, and it seems that by referring to it in a less personal form, it’s as if she regards it more.
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  - Vanth
    
    February 6, 2013 at 12:55 am
    
    Hmm, when you put it that way…
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Vance

February 6, 2013 at 12:39 am

Where were you while all of this has been happening?

Dark_sage:

has -> was

Hatsuyuki, what are you doing?

———-

Are you drunk?

“was been happening” is complete gibberish.
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- Dark_Sage
  
  February 6, 2013 at 12:41 am
  
  You knew what I meant.
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anon239583

February 6, 2013 at 1:02 am

It’s 7-digit gate.

You should probably re-watch episode 2.

The amount of digits in the gate’s number signifies their rank. The lower the amount of digits the higher they are.

Related note: The no-names are in gate 2105380.
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- Dark_Sage
  
  February 6, 2013 at 1:05 am
  
  I didn’t even remember those numbers. Noted and fixed.
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anonymouss

February 6, 2013 at 1:32 am

http://crymore.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Hatsuyuki_Mondaijitachi_ga_Isekai_Kara_Kuru_Sou_Desu_yo_-_04_1280x720FC952BB7.mkv_snapshot_10.26_2013.02.05_19.34.54-640×360.jpg
Community needs to be capitalized here
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- Dark_Sage
  
  February 6, 2013 at 1:33 am
  
  Hatsuyuki chose to keep it lowercase in their release, which is fine, and they’re consistent with it. It’s a stylistic decision. Not the one I’d make, but not one I’d hold against them.
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jabashque

February 6, 2013 at 1:47 am

Just curious; why do you take screenshots as .jpg files? I understand that lossless .png isn’t needed for the screenshots in the Script Review section, but for the Visual Review section, the lossy .jpg files make it harder for me to judge typesetting.
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- Dark_Sage
  
  February 6, 2013 at 1:59 am
  
  Well, it’s not for space constraints — this site is actually pretty low-key (I think we’re at like 3 GB for everything now). The reason is bandwidth. I just took two screenshots — one jpeg and png. The difference is between 56 KB and 1.45 MB. Apply those numbers to the 45 screenshots I took for this review and you get 2.52 MB vs. 65.25 MB. If everyone was surfing this site from non-capped ISPs and on relatively stable connections, then sure, I’d just do PNGs for everything.
  
  But when dealing with bandwidth caps and slow connections, I can see people just taking one look at all the data my site’s trying to force at them and just turning away. For that reason, it’s not worth it to go the PNG route. I realize it makes it harder to compare typesetting, but I don’t currently have a remedy that works for everyone.
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  - jabashque
    
    February 6, 2013 at 2:19 am
    
    I guess an alternative would be to take the screenshots as png, then save them at something like q90 – q100. Granted, size is at ~100-400 KB instead of ~50 KB, but 9 MB shouldn’t hurt as much as 65 MB.
    
    Comparisons here (using a screenshot I got from notredreviews):
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bbq21pe3l7eq2iz/ef8DrOJFYp?lst
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    - jabashque
      
      February 6, 2013 at 2:23 am
      
      *save them as .jpg in another program
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    - 3173
      
      February 6, 2013 at 4:14 am
      
      D_S is currently using JPEG 75 which is above what most use for the web (~60-70) This post alone has ~40 images.
      
      Stats and images:
      
      I took a screenshot from BTS: NEXT.
      PNG Uncompressed: ~2.8MB
      PNG Compressed (lossless): ~756.6KB
      ^ 72.73% decrease from the uncompressed image
      JPEG 75: ~107.4KB
      ^ 85.81% decrease from the compressed PNG
      ^ 96.13% decrease from the uncompressed PNG
      
      2.8MB * 40 = 112MB
      756.6KB * 40 = 30264KB = 29.6MB
      107.4KB * 40 = 4296KB = 4.2MB
      
      Comparison images: (I forgot to add file sizes)
      https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jhr0jn71accw4qs/WVG8LTHY4b/Compare
      
      Even the smallest increase in quality make a big difference in file size and bandwidth. I think the current quaility D_S uses is just fine.
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- 3173
  
  February 6, 2013 at 2:03 am
  
  I would guess bandwidth. He hosts the images on his site instead of an external image host.
  
  The images are full size with acceptable quaility, IMO.
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FalseDawn

February 6, 2013 at 2:45 am

Ooh, ooh, I can be helpful here.

The story of the moon rabbit goes that one day, a god disguised as a man was walking through a forest and came across three animals. There animals were charged with finding food for him, which two did, bringing him fish and berries. The third however-the rabbit-instructed him to make a fire instead. The god-man did so and as soon as it was lit, the rabbit jumped into the fire so that his flesh could be cooked and eaten. The god-man was so overjoyed by this, the sick weirdo, that he put the rabbit’s soul or something in the moon, hence moon rabbit. The more you know… ;)

Not sure about the Gorgon line either. I’ve heard Medusa referred to in a lot of TV adaptations as “the Gorgon” so it’s likely that the show went down that route too. You can hardly blame the sub for its inaccuracy if it’s a direct translation. I agree with knight being wrong though – unless this is some alternative timeline? Hard to tell just from what I know about the show.
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- lygerzero0zero
  
  February 6, 2013 at 3:54 am
  
  Most pop culture depictions of the myth seem to ignore the existence of any Gorgons other than Medusa, so I wouldn’t really fault them for not being super accurate on the mythology. Odds are the writers of the show didn’t look into the myth that much either.
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  - FalseDawn
    
    February 6, 2013 at 10:20 am
    
    Making King Arthur into a chick for F/SN pretty much shows how anime creators view mythological accuracy in their series.
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- fnord
  
  February 6, 2013 at 5:05 am
  
  Using “the Gorgon” in place of Medusa isn’t at all uncommon, just like “the Philosopher” is Aristotle.
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stushi

February 6, 2013 at 10:46 am

http://crymore.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Hatsuyuki_Mondaijitachi_ga_Isekai_Kara_Kuru_Sou_Desu_yo_-_04_1280x720FC952BB7.mkv_snapshot_07.42_2013.02.05_19.30.21.jpg
>Wrong tense for this scene. It’s “died”.
“But before I died, I’m certain I could take out this shop.”
What.
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- MyXoMoPBL
  
  February 6, 2013 at 11:52 am
  
  This is what we had:
  -I probably wouldn’t stand a chance against the one and only Lord of the White Night.
  -However…
  -I bet I could wreck this place before you get to me.
  
  D_S is right, it should be “died”.
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Vance

February 6, 2013 at 12:51 pm

What this review demonstrates is that illiteracy runs amok at MAL (This is not a surprise). It’s just stupid that MAL’s preferred group for this show is Hatsuyuki (The subs are cringeworthy).
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akami

February 6, 2013 at 2:16 pm

Could you review Interrobang version? It seems that they have their own TL instead of CR edit.
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- Dark_Sage
  
  February 6, 2013 at 2:21 pm
  
  Already started.
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  - anonymous
    
    February 8, 2013 at 9:47 am
    
    ib when
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ThisDesk

February 6, 2013 at 6:25 pm

So what would the recommended subs for this show be?
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- Kamica
  
  February 6, 2013 at 6:50 pm
  
  Dark_Sage intends to get the fansub reviews out for the show soon. Though since it’s Wednesday, Tamako Market (subbing the show) takes priority.
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Fansub Review: [Hatsuyuki] Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo (Episode 04)

Table of Contents

Release Information

Episode details.

External links.

Visual Review

Karaoke.

Typesetting.

Script Review

Karaoke.

Main Script.

Results

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