Okay, so there are at least 7 separate releases for this show coming out. 7 participants is too much to deal with, so I’m spreading the TL Party out across two posts. These are just the first four releases.
Not exactly sure how I’m gonna handle TL Party 2. We’ll see. But I just can’t throw 7 choices at you guys, cuz even I would just bail on the party.
Translation Party House Rules:
Kyoukai no Kanata – Episode 01
Comparisons: 10 or 20
Participants:
HorribleSubs
Commie
UTW
Mezashite
Codes:
{\i1} indicates the start of italics
{\i0} indicates the close of italics
Essential 1.
Kyon monologues.
Audio: [mp3t track="http://www.crymore.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/KnK01.mp3" play="Start audio" stop="Pause this shit" volslider="y"]
HorribleSubs :: This is where the progression in stories takes two strongly diverging paths.
Down one path, the protagonist actively participates
in the story and aids in its progression.
Down the other, the protagonist remains
passive and allows the story to carry itself.
I clearly belonged in the second category,
but for some odd reason, I chose to follow the first path!
Commie :: The story stands at the intersection of two vastly different paths.
One where the protagonist is an active participant, moving the story along.
And another where he stays passive, letting the story unfold at its own pace.
The latter one seemed familiar and inviting to me,
but in the end, I chose the first path.
UTW :: At this point, the story can proceed in one of two ways.
Either the protagonist plays an active role in the events that unfold,
or he takes a passive role as the story moves on without him.
By all accounts, I’d fall into the latter category,
but for some reason, I chose the former option at this time.
Mezashite :: From here, the story can develop in one of two ways:
The first is for the protagonist to dive in and take an active role in the story.
The other is for the protagonist to step back and let the story progress on its own.
Everything about me screams that I would choose the latter,
but for some reason, today, I decided to choose the former.
N/A :: N/A. They all suck.
Essential 2.
Sane Tsuruya puts Kyon in his place.
Audio: [mp3t track="http://www.crymore.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/KnK02.mp3" play="Start audio" stop="Pause this shit" volslider="y"]
HorribleSubs :: Akihito, your senpai in the Literary Club
put their hearts and souls into those scraps of paper.
It’s rude to toy with them like that.
>I don’t sense a shred of respect in the expression you just used.
Commie :: Akihito, your Literary Club predecessors poured
their very beings into that pile of paper scraps.
Playing with it is highly inappropriate.
>Your wording doesn’t exactly exude respect, either.
UTW :: Akihito.
Your Literature Club predecessors poured their hearts and souls into those scraps of paper.
You should treat them with more respect.
>I don’t sense a single shred of respect from what {\i1}you{\i0} just said, though.
Mezashite :: Akihito.
It’s impolite to play with the scrap paper that our predecessors poured their hearts and souls into.
>Is it just me, or could I not detect a shred of respect in that sentence?
N/A :: N/A. They all suck.
Essential 3.
Lollipop-chan suggests a story for the compilation to Kyon.
Audio: [mp3t track="http://www.crymore.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/KnK03.mp3" play="Start audio" stop="Pause this shit" volslider="y"]
HorribleSubs :: It’s a fairy tale, but it was rather interesting.
>The title?
“I Took Off My Red Riding Hood.”
>Then I won’t know who she is!
Commie :: This one’s a fairy tale, but it’s interesting nonetheless.
>The title?
“Red Riding Hood: Under the Hood.”
>That’s just a normal girl!
UTW :: And this one’s a fairy tale, but a rather interesting one.
>What’s the title?
“I Took Off My Little Red Riding Hood”.
>That makes it impossible to tell who she is!
Mezashite :: This one was fairly interesting for a fairy tale.
>What’s its title?
“Little Red Riding Hood Takes It Off”.
>Then can you even still call her that?!
N/A :: N/A. They all suck.
Essential 4.
This was a good scene.
Audio: [mp3t track="http://www.crymore.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/KnK04.mp3" play="Start audio" stop="Pause this shit" volslider="y"]
HorribleSubs :: Huh? Kuriyama-san, whatever are you doing in a place like this?
>It’s quite the coincidence, isn’t it?
Seriously…
>There is no way coincidences like this occur!
Commie :: What’s this? However did you end up here, Kuriyama?
>Ah, what a bizarre coincidence!
Yeah, weird.
>And it keeps getting weirder each time!
UTW :: Huh? Kuriyama-san?
>Fancy meeting you here.
>What a coincidence, right?
Totally—
>Like hell I’ll believe this was a coincidence!
Mezashite :: Oh, Kuriyama-san. What are you doing in a place like this?
>Ah, what a coincidence.
Isn’t it?
>Do you really expect me to accept this as just a coincidence?!
N/A :: N/A. They all suck.
Essential 5.
Kyon explaining things.
Audio: [mp3t track="http://www.crymore.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/KnK05.mp3" play="Start audio" stop="Pause this shit" volslider="y"]
HorribleSubs :: I’ve already told you!
I’m not possessed by a youmu.
I’m a half-youmu.
I’m a rare entity, born between a human and a youmu.
Commie :: I’ve already told you!
I haven’t been possessed by a phantasm.
I’m half-phantasm myself.
I’m a rare being, born from a human-phantasm relationship.
UTW :: How many times do I have to tell you?
I’m not a shadeling. I’m a half-shade.
An extremely rare entity—the child of a dreamshade and a human.
Then it doesn’t really matter, does it?
Mezashite :: Do you have corn for ears?
I’m {\i1}not{\i0} a demon, I’m a {\i1}cambion{\i0}.
I’m a rare being born from the combination of a human and a demon.
N/A :: N/A. They all suck.
Essential 6.
Haruhi wants to grind.
Audio: [mp3t track="http://www.crymore.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/KnK06.mp3" play="Start audio" stop="Pause this shit" volslider="y"]
HorribleSubs :: I’m not some small fry character in a videogame!
>At any rate, as long as I am a Spirit World Warrior and you’re youmu,
>there is nothing wrong with what I’m doing.
Commie :: I’m not some generic mob for you to grind!
>I’m a Boundary Warden, though, and you’re a phantasm,
>so there is nothing wrong with what I’m doing.
UTW :: I’m not some low-level monster in a video game!
>Either way, so long as I’m a spirit hunter and you’re a dreamshade,
>I believe I’m perfectly justified in my actions.
Mezashite :: Listen here, I’m not a slime in some RPG.
>Anyway, considering that I’m an exorcist, and you’re a demon,
>I don’t see any issues in my conduct.
N/A :: N/A. They all suck.
Essential 7.
Kyon sharing his man’s dream.
Audio: [mp3t track="http://www.crymore.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/KnK07.mp3" play="Start audio" stop="Pause this shit" volslider="y"]
HorribleSubs :: Is it love?!
How wonderful!
To be loved by a girl who looks great in any glasses!
>This is why I don’t touch perverts’ delusions of grandeur.
Commie :: Could it be love?
This is wonderful!
To be loved by a girl who looks great in any glasses!
>This is why it’s dangerous to feed perverts’ delusions.
UTW :: Love?!
Amazing!
I can’t believe a girl who’d look great in all kinds of glasses loves me!
>I guess there’s no cure for a pervert’s narcissism.
Mezashite :: Has God finally given me his graces?
A girl who looks good in any pair of glasses is in love with me!
>And {\i1}that{\i0} is exactly why you’ll always be a pervert in my mind.
N/A :: N/A. They all suck.
Essential 8.
Weak Haruhi getting tricked.
Audio: [mp3t track="http://www.crymore.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/KnK08-1.mp3" play="Start audio" stop="Pause this shit" volslider="y"]
[mp3t track="http://www.crymore.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/KnK08-2.mp3" play="Start audio" stop="Pause this shit" volslider="y"]
HorribleSubs :: Hey! You made me kill the bucket!
Really!
{…}
It-it’s dark! Senpai, what’d you do?!
>You’re wearing a bucket.
Commie :: Hey! That bucket did nothing to you!
Come on!
{…}
I-It’s pitch black! What did you do, Kanbara?!
>There’s a bucket on your head.
UTW :: Hey, we can’t go around destroying buckets!
Gosh!
{…}
I-I can’t see a thing!
What’d you do to me?!
>It’s just a bucket.
Mezashite :: You made me break the bucket!
Seriously!
{…}
I-I can’t see! What did you do?!
>It’s just a bucket.
N/A :: N/A. They all suck.
Essential 9.
Kyon grilling best girl like a jerk.
Audio: [mp3t track="http://www.crymore.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/KnK09.mp3" play="Start audio" stop="Pause this shit" volslider="y"]
HorribleSubs :: What type of change of heart is this
for you to want to meet in the cafeteria?
>You make it sound as if I normally hide out in the clubroom.
Isn’t that the truth?
>Very well! I won’t deny it.
>I’m leading a pathetic school life where I eat
>in the bathroom by myself and the only person
>I can abuse is my childhood friend, Akihito.
Wait! Is it just me, or did it sound like
I’m the more pathetic of the two of us?
Commie :: It’s rare for you to want to meet here.
Did something happen?
>You make it sound as if I normally hide out in the clubroom.
Isn’t that the truth, though?
>So be it! I will deny nothing.
>I’m leading a pathetic school life where I eat in the bathroom by myself
>and the only person I can abuse is my childhood friend, Akihito.
Wait, is it just me, or did it sound like {\i1}I’m{\i0} the more pathetic of the two of us?
UTW :: Meeting up in the cafeteria? What brought {\i1}this{\i0} on?
>You make it sound like I stay cooped up in the clubroom all the time.
Well, you do.
>Very well.
>I won’t deny it.
>Indeed, I lead a pitiful school life where you, the guy famous for eating alone in the bathroom,
>are the only one I can bully.
Hang on.
Did you just make me out to be the most pitiful one here?
Mezashite :: To what do I owe the pleasure of meeting you in the cafeteria?
>You make it sound like I’m always locked up in the club room.
Are you not?
>Fine. I won’t deny it.
>I live such a sad high school life that the only person who deigns to make fun of me
>is someone who eats most of his lunches in a bathroom stall.
Hang on. The way you said that makes it sound like {\i1}I’m{\i0} the pathetic one here.
N/A :: N/A. They all suck.
Essential 10.
This comparison just affects the Twitter trolling. I would suggest clicking the image to see it in a larger size.
Audio: N/A
HorribleSubs :: Group 1
Commie :: Group 2
UTW :: Group 3
Mezashite :: Group 4
N/A :: N/A. They all suck.
Decision Point:
- Holy fucking shit, Dark_Sage. Give me more comparisons. I fucking live for this! (Put the knife down and click the spoiler. We got ten more comparisons for ya.)
- Oh my god, when will this fucking novel end? (Don’t worry, this chapter’s enough. Find out your results.)
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Do keep in mind the point of this poll is not “vote for which group you downloaded/which group’s name you like the most”. The point is to vote for the results you got from the TL Party, even if they weren’t what you expected. This is just one method of helping you find out what the actual best group is for you, so don’t be a shit — vote honestly. I’m not taking a gun to your head and making you take the results as the word of god Dark_Sage.
Which group had which line (unformatted, lazy-mode Sage):
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 3 times
Commie: 8 times
UTW: 4 times
Mezashite: 6 times
Looks like your best bet is Commie
Interesting, considering there were quite a few TL mistakes that didn’t get fixed with the Commie version. (The bathroom bit for example made no sense compared to Meza’s/UTW’s.)
But yeah, I liked the wording.
They had some good lines, but this one is criminal:
“That is how I met Kuriyama Mirai.
If our time together had ended there,
this world would be a much, much duller place.”
Yeah, that bathroom bit, how did HS (or CR, whatever) and Commie manage to fuck that up? Clearly, before Akihito sits down, a classmate of his says “Eating in the cafeteria today, huh?” or something like that.
UTW was the only group that didn’t mess up that bathroom line. Mezashite’s was close, but the one being bullied is him, not her.
For Essential 5, where he’s telling her what he is, only HS and Commie clearly got the meaning across (that she was referring to him as possessed). UTW’s ‘shadeling’ wasn’t bad, but kind of sounds like a baby shade rather than a possessed person.
Commie’s ‘excuse-granting genie’ line made me lol.
‘Phantasm’ and especially ‘dreamshade’ are nice translations of ‘youmu’.
HorribleSubs: 3 times
Commie: 7 times
UTW: 9 times
Mezashite: 5 times
Looks like your best bet is UTW
Commie have a good editor for this. It was a tie between them and Mezashite for me, so I went with superior typesetting.
No entirely. I still prefer UTW over Commie.
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 1 time
Commie: 4 times
UTW: 12 times
Mezashite: 8 times
Looks like your best bet is UTW
I actually expected Commie. Guess I’ll go with UTW instead.
…But that corn for ears line, oh man.
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 1 time
Commie: 1 time
UTW: 7 times
Mezashite: 1 time
Looks like your best bet is UTW
I personally liked UTW wording for the shade/dreamshade, so that was pretty much a given points for them.
2nd Part
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 1 time
Commie: 2 times
UTW: 5 times
Mezashite: 3 times
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 0 times
Commie: 0 times
UTW: 0 times
Mezashite: 0 times
It’s a tie between HorribleSubs, Commie, UTW, and Mezashite
…wait a second. Something’s wrong here.
No, you know what? Maybe THE SOURCE LINES are the problem. And here I thought this show would be good.
Second run confirms it: the dialogue in this show is the problem.
Dropped!
Whoa, what?
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya is my favorite anime, and this is practically Haruhi + Chuu2 (which wasn’t too bad itself). It can’t not be good.
Well I don’t know. The character design looks pretty interesting, and the fights look really cool, and maybe the plot might go places, but THIS DIALOGUE
PLEASE NO
The dialogue in this show is pretty awful. The comedy and moe antics are pretty shit, too. I hated Chuu2, but I had to admit the humour was well written, even if it didn’t make ME laugh.
This show just sucks. I’m still gonna watch it.
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 8 times
Commie: 7 times
UTW: 6 times
Mezashite: 4 times
Looks like your best bet is HorribleSubs
I don’t even know. I think hating most of the lines muddied the waters a bit.
I haven’t watched this yet, but ohmysurprise when:
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 0 times
Commie: 3 times
UTW: 5 times
Mezashite: 2 times
Looks like your best bet is UTW (bikkurishita!)
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 7 times
Commie: 3 times
UTW: 0 times
Mezashite: 0 times
Looks like your best bet is HorribleSubs
Yeah, HS the best
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 3 times
Commie: 2 times
UTW: 6 times
Mezashite: 7 times
Looks like your best bet is Mezashite
Mezashite and UTW seem like good choices either way.
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 1 time
Commie: 2 times
UTW: 4 times
Mezashite: 3 times
Looks like your best bet is UTW.
I only watched the HS release. Not sure if I can wait for UTW to release roughly eight hours later but I know which release I’m archiving.
Seriously, wtf’s a cambion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambion
Yeah, it’s actually a thing. Though until I looked it up I just thought they were failing at Spanish.
Yes, I made sure that it was actually a thing. I wanted to look for some already-established method of defining monsters that had a word for half-monster. I like what UTW used, though.
Cambion is a fantastic choice. I’ll download Mezashite for that alone.
tfw
Going over the different subs without a TL party I myself liked commie but I’ll do this shortly anyway
Yeah, Commie had a solid edit of the HS script. Enough was changed that I thought they had just gone and done an original TL.
I was surprised by how sugoii they managed to make it
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 0 times
Commie: 2 times
UTW: 7 times
Mezashite: 4 times
Looks like your best bet is UTW
And N/A: 7 times, but I’ll give it to UTW, since I was being pretty harsh in general.
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 4 times
Commie: 4 times
UTW: 1 time
Mezashite: 1 time
It’s a tie between HorribleSubs and Commie
Weird.
Anyway, FFF just released their version.
Just the essentials:
HorribleSubs: 0 times
Commie: 6 times
UTW: 3 times
Mezashite: 1 time
We’re all in this together:
HorribleSubs: 1 time
Commie: 11 times
UTW: 5 times
Mezashite: 3 times
Looks like your best bet is Commie
I also just checked out FFF’s and Asuka’s FFF seemed worth looking at maybe but as for Asuka that’s just a waste of time and happiness
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 1 time
Commie: 1 time
UTW: 2 times
Mezashite: 1 time
Looks like your best bet is UTW
Not very conclusive, huh?
I didn’t like any of the lines with phantoms/shades/cam-whatevers in it :(
Prolly gonna go with UTW out of habit.
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 0 times
Commie: 5 times
UTW: 3 times
Mezashite: 2 times
Looks like your best bet is Commie
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 4 times
Commie: 3 times
UTW: 8 times
Mezashite: 5 times
Looks like your best bet is UTW
Well, that wasn’t really surprising.
But I’ll just go for FFF anyway. ( ゚∀゚)アハハ八八ノヽノヽノヽノ \ / \/ \ \ /\ / \ ノヽノヽノヽノ八八ハハア)`ν°)
Biased choice is biased.
You seperated UTW and FFF into different parties. How am I supposed to decide between them now?
I’ll figure something out.
Have the top 3 dook it out??
Wait never mind I dun goof’d
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 0 times
Commie: 6 times
UTW: 2 times
Mezashite: 2 times
Looks like your best bet is Commie
Huh… I should probably go and watch this…
Essential:
HorribleSubs: 1 time
Commie: 2 times
UTW: 6 times
Mezashite: 6 times
It’s a tie between UTW and Mezashite
Essential and Expanded:
HorribleSubs: 4 times
Commie: 6 times
UTW: 12 times
Mezashite: 10 times
Looks like your best bet is UTW
It’s decided then~
So D_S, I’m not sure how hard it is, but I think it would be interesting to see exactly which results for each choice came out on top. Instead of just an overall take on the episode, it’d allow people to see which type of phrasing or word choice is popular among viewers (and I think it’d help me out personally to see what we did well or not).
Looking through this all though, it seems we were a bit more wordy than other groups. I’ll try to keep that in mind next week.
It would be interesting, but it might lead to the false perception that popularity = quality. I’ll talk to puddi about it later.
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 1 time
Commie: 0 times
UTW: 7 times
Mezashite: 2 times
Looks like your best bet is UTW
Feels about right.
HorribleSubs: 3 times
Commie: 2 times
UTW: 5 times
Mezashite: 4 times
Looks like your best bet is UTW
I actually watched all of CR’s release before taking this and I have to say I really liked their translation overall. Since they’re going to be faster and the video’s going to look better than UTW’s as long as they continue to use MX, I think I’ll stick with that. The scene where lollipop-chan was being all haughty in the cafeteria was a little confusing, though, so props to UTW for making sense out of that.
It might be said earlier, however I’ll suggest you make a third article in which the top 2 of each translation party will compete.
Hope this helps you DS, and the fans to choose wich translation they’ll go with for this show.
Nobody suggested it, but I had been planning something along those lines. Thanks for the suggestion; sometimes I write myself into a corner and having people like you back me up out of it is a bigger relief than you can imagine. <3
I think having just a 2nd TL party with UTW/commie/FFF/Asuka would work better
Well, Oni’s also doing this show is the thing. I could probably justify smashing 6 groups into one post, but 7 would be too much (which is why this was split up). I’m thinking something along the lines of 4 or 5 of the “winners” in the third and final TL Party.
What’s a Oni
Commie staff.
Well I knew that much
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 1 time
Commie: 3 times
UTW: 3 times
Mezashite: 3 times
It’s a tie between Commie, UTW, and Mezashite
Guess I’ll go with UTW so I don’t have to deal with slow releases once the season is halfway through.
>commie getting better than utw
What the c**p? What’s next, Hadena doing tier-a releases?
This is Crymore. You’re allowed to swear.
Except for a few TL mistakes, HorribleSubs delivered a surprisingly good script this time, not horrible at all.
As expected of Commie, they took the streaming script and made it worse most of the time. No surprise there.
UTW is somewhat better than Mezashite. I found Mezashite picking “demon” and “exorcist” a poor choice, too overly generic, and they have an awful main dialogue font (just like Commie).
If you want a quick release, there’s nothing wrong going with HS. If you can wait some more, go with UTW.
HorribleSubs: 0 times
Commie: 5 times
UTW: 8 times
Mezashite: 4 times
Looks like your best bet is UTW
This was like the first time I couldn’t stand a CR script. It was so clunky and the terminology was brutal…Spirit World Warrior?? Seriously? That’s literal I guess but 3-words and 7-syllables vs. the original 3-syllable “ikaishi”. I would have just left it if they were going to be that lazy.
Essential:
HorribleSubs: 1
Commie: 3
UTW: 5
Mezashite: 4
N/A: 4
Extended:
HorribleSubs: 2
Commie: 4
UTW: 2
Mezashite: 4
N/A: 2
I was going for fluid and believable English dialogue over literal accuracy, but going with the more literal if it was very close. I tried to at least give some group a simultaneous vote with an N/A to make sure I didn’t get told to watch a raw, but just couldn’t with the cafeteria scene. All of them severely fscked that up.
I had far more collisions of N/A with Mezashite than UTW. 2 from UTW were on an N/A, 4 from Mezashite, 4 from Commie, and 1 from HorribleSubs. Subtracting those and giving half scores for split votes from the overall scores gives a clear winner:
HorribleSubs: 1.5
Commie: 2.5
UTW: 4.5
Mezashite: 3.0
Looks like I’m sticking to UTW for this one.
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 8 times
Commie: 0 times
UTW: 2 times
Mezashite: 2 times
Looks like your best bet is HorribleSubs.
Have been watching HorribleSubs a lot lately…
HorribleSubs: 1 time
Commie: 2 times
UTW: 7 times
Mezashite: 1 time
Looks like your best bet is UTW
The scores don’t particularly reflect how well each group did, though. All the groups did a decent job, though I thought Commie’s lines especially were pretty good, and seeing that they’ve got a new editor working on this is particularly impressive. I ended up picking UTW because despite some nice individual lines from Commie, I felt like UTW’s dialog flowed more smoothly and their characterization was better almost every time.
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 2 times
Commie: 4 times
UTW: 9 times
Mezashite: 6 times
Looks like your best bet is UTW
Hm, looks like I’m going with UTW’s release. But Mezashite had some good lines, too. Not that it really matters that much with this show I guess.
But I really got confused by how each group decided on a different translation for “youmu”. I’m not sure which one is the most accurate one, but I think “spirit world warrior” would make the most sense. Although that is a mouthful.
Well, CR kept “youmu” as “youmu”. And “Spirit World Warrior” is CR’s term for something else, not for “youmu”.
Ah, I mixed that up >.<
I meant "Spirit World Warrior" seams like a good translation of "ikaishi".
For "youmu"…I don't know. I think Mezashite's "demon" is a boring choice.
I think the kanji meant something like ghost + dream, so probably UTW’s ‘dreamshade’.
Although I’m partial to Mezashite, since they used the awesome word ‘cambion’.
Overall scores…
HorribleSubs: 1 time
Commie: 1 time
UTW: 3 times
Mezashite: 5 times
Looks like your best bet is Mezashite
I didn’t expect this, but I really liked the cambion line, and it looks like they’re good at getting the point across in their subs. I’ll pick Mezashite up instead of UTW if I like their ep2 subs as well.